France: Muslims in suburbs “increasingly do not see themselves as French”

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Comment by Jim Campbell

This is quite simple really, enlist them into the French Foreign Legion, send them back to the third world sand boxes they came from, one way ticket, case closed.

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it, I’m J.C. and I approve this message.

More on this story. This Middle East Online report has additional information, but has a markedly different emphasis from the prior report. Here, Muslims have supposedly thrown up their hands in disillusionment with French democracy, which has “failed” them, turning instead to Islam, even as the report acknowledges “many residents are drawn to an Islamic identity rather than simply rejecting or failing to find a secular one.”

French Muslims won’t assimilate

France has so rudely decided to continue being French (unmitigated Gauls, if you will), and expected people who come to live there to do likewise.

“State is not ‘halal’: resentful immigrants turn to Islam in France,” by Thibauld Malterre for Middle East Online.


Researchers say Islamic values are replacing those of republic which failed to deliver on its promise of ‘equality’.

Local communities in France’s immigrant suburbs increasingly organise themselves on Islamic lines rather than following the values of the secular republic, according to a major new sociological study.

Respected political scientist Gilles Kepel, a specialist in the Muslim world, led a team of researchers in a year-long project in Clichy-sous-Bois and Montfermeil, two Paris suburbs that exploded in riots in 2005.

The resulting study — “Suburbs of the Republic” — found that religious institutions and practices are increasingly displacing those of the state and the French Republic, which has a strong secular tradition.

Families from the districts, which are mainly populated by immigrants from north and west Africa and their descendants, regularly attend mosque, fast during Ramadan and boycott school meals that are not “halal”.

Millions of schoolkids with food allergies, who are vegetarian, or who are avoiding meat on a Lenten Friday have packed their own lunch and managed to integrate among their peers just fine. A walkout of sorts at lunchtime may well be hoped to muscle the schools into providing halal meat and purging pork products from the menu.

With between five and six million Muslim residents and citizens, France has the largest Islamic population in the European Union, and central government often struggles to address the challenges to integration that this poses.

Kepel performed a similar study 25 years earlier, and told the daily Le Monde that the influence of Islam in the daily lives and cultural references of the suburbs has “diversified and intensified” since then.

French schools, which are rigorously non-religious, have traditionally been seen as having the role of training young citizens of the republic, but local officials say Islamic pupils are heading home for a halal lunch.

“A certain number of children don’t come to the canteen any more or, if they come, they only take a starter and dessert,” Xavier Lemoine, the centre-right mayor of Monfermeil, told Europe 1 radio.

Surveys suggest most in France do not object to mixed marriages, but in the suburbs the researchers were surprised find “a very large proportion of Muslim respondents said they were opposed to marriages with non-Muslims.”

Did the research account for the distinction of whether respondents oppose Muslim men marrying non-Muslim women, or Muslim women marrying non-Muslim men? Sharia allows for the former, but not the latter.

The researchers also delved into the reasons behind the 2005 riots, which they said had called into question modern France’s founding myth “the implicit shared belief that the nation was always able to integrate people.”

While the resentment in the poor suburbs has social roots, essentially the residents’ virtual exclusion from a tight jobs market, the rioters expressed frustration in a vocabulary “borrowed from Islam’s semantic register.”

Islamic values are replacing those of a republic which failed to deliver on its promise of “equality”, and the residents of the suburbs increasingly do not see themselves as French, the researchers said.

“One of the reasons for the strong role of Islam is that the Republic has withdrawn,” warned Claude Dilain, the Socialist mayor of Clichy.

“Those who fell abandoned seek another identity, and Islam satisfies that well.”

But the report does not support the idea that the state has simply pulled back, to be replaced by Islam. The Clichy-Monfermeil agglomeration has been at the centre of one of France’s biggest urban renewal programmes.

Many physical barriers to integration have been removed, with efforts made to plug the area into public transport networks and improve public safety — but unemployment and low school achievement remain high.

A third of the population of the town does not hold French nationality, and many residents are drawn to an Islamic identity rather than simply rejecting or failing to find a secular one.

Kepel’s study was commissioned by the Institut Montaigne, which will make recommendations in January.

The author warns: “France’s future depends on its ability to re-integrate the suburbs into the national project.”

3 responses to “France: Muslims in suburbs “increasingly do not see themselves as French”

  1. Keep ‘em in the bucket. It’d be easier to round them up when the time comes.

  2. DUH…..France! Ya think you gotta problem, now???

  3. I honestly believe
    it will come to our physically pushing them out and segregating them, and more power to us… The Muslims arrogance and refusal to assimilate are of their own doing, thus all that befalls them are by their own hands…We have the same problem here that the French have with their own leftist loony tunes. And we all know the reason why they are granting the Muslims acknowledgement as an independent group void of the same laws we must live by? It’s to secure the growing support of “VOTERS” for the future…Fox News along with the other Media outlets are once again showing how watered down the Conservative party really is, in our being dominated once again by their picks for a candidate for us? The same reason we lost 2008. We have to move and quick if we want to regain the upper hand on who we want to supporting us…We’re at nearly a year away from our electing a President to replace Obama and already the field is being cleared to two…We best make sure that who ever is elected, they will stop this Muslim take over…

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