Istanbul Process: Censorship Through Subterfuge

by Dajal

When you create a legal construct which ties what we utter and publish with the completely unrelated actions of unrelated people on other continents, completely beyond our control, assigning blame to us for what they do on their own accord, then you are attempting to restrict free speech by forcing self-censorship.  You are, in effect, erecting a heckler’s veto and abandoning the First Amendment.

The fall session of the Istanbul Process has concluded; while we await publication of their report we can reflect on the manifold deceptions which passed the lips of two participants.  I have selected the most important phrases out of context for criticism.

  • Amb. Suzan Johnson Cook’s welcoming address with video:
      • meetings that will advance respect for religious freedom and religious tolerance around the world.

It is not possible to advance respect for religious freedom & tolerance where Allah’s writ runs. There is neither tolerance nor respect for religions other than Islam in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other nations dominated by Islam.  The positive attitudes desired by Amb. Cook do not  and can not exist there because of the doctrines of Islam.

  • Non-Muslims are cursed.
    • 2:161. Verily, those who disbelieve, and die while they are disbelievers, it is they on whom is the Curse of Allâh and of the angels and of mankind, combined.
    • 3:12. Say (O Muhammad ) to those who disbelieve: “You will be defeated and gathered together to Hell, and worst indeed is that place to rest.”
    • 9:30. And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allâh, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allâh. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allâh’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!
  • Only Islam is accepted.

    • 3:19. Truly, the religion with Allâh is Islâm. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, then surely, Allâh is Swift in calling to account.
    • 3:85. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.
  • Unbelief is a great evil under Shari’ah..
    • Unbelief is the vilest form of corruption, as goes without saying. [Reliance of the Traveller O24.2
    • Leaving Islam is the ugliest form of unbelief (kufr) and the worst. [08.0]
    • …a non-Muslim has no right to authority and hence no right to raise a Muslim. [M13.2]
      • false divide that pits religious sensitivities against freedom of expression [Quoting H.C.]

For the full quote, turn to page 35 of the April ’11 Islamophobia Report. Hillary’s assertion is malignant. Islam demands that all criticism of Islam be squelched, which is clear in the text of previous HRC & GA resolutions “Combating Defamation of Religions“.

Reliance of the Traveller defines apostasy with a list of twenty acts which entail leaving Islam [O8.7] Those acts include reviling Allah, Muhammad or Islam and denial of any Islamic law or doctrine.  The penalty for apostasy is execution, specified in the second section of chapter 8. [O8.1]    The same rule and punishment are imposed upon conquered Jews & Christians living in Dar ul-Islam as Dhimmis: -5- or mentions something impermissible about Allah, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), or Islam. [O11.10] The penalty imposed upon a Dhimmi who blasphemes is the same as he would suffer when captured in battle, one of four choices by the Imam, death being the first listed. [O9.14]

The OIC demanded prosecution of the publisher of the Motoons and demanded that the Dutch government block the publication of Fitna. After the publication, they demanded prosecution. Egypt is demanding that publication of Wilders’ upcoming book be blocked.

      • Resolution 16/18 secured an international consensus around an action-oriented approach to combat religious intolerance in line with respect for universal human rights—including religious freedom and freedom of expression.

“Respect for freedom of expression” yeah, right. The following paragraph occurs on page two of the resolution:

Expresses deep concern at the continued serious instances of derogatory
stereotyping, negative profiling and stigmatization of persons based on their religion or
belief, as well as programmes and agendas pursued by extremist organizations and groups
aimed at creating and perpetuating negative stereotypes about religious groups, in particular
when condoned by Governments;

“Derogatory stereotyping ” & “negative stereotypes”  are encrypted references to  associating Islam with terrorism.  Last year’s GA resolution expresses it this way:

Also emphasizes that no religion should be equated with terrorism, as this
may have adverse consequences on the enjoyment of the right to freedom of religion
or belief of all members of the religious communities concerned;

Oh, but that meme has been abandoned, hasn’t it?  Yeah, right. Two resolutions came out of the Third Committee in November, one based on 19/18 and
A/C.3/66/L.48/Rev.1 : “Elimination of all forms of intolerance and of discrimination based on religion or belief”.

Also emphasizes that no religion should be equated with terrorism, as this
may have adverse consequences on the enjoyment of the right to freedom of religion
or belief of all members of the religious communities concerned;

Islam = terrorism because Allah said that he would cast terror, did cast terror & Moe said that it made him victorious.  I present to you relevant, verifiable proof from the Qur’an, Tafsir Ibn Kathir & Sahih Bukhari, the most authentic of the six canonical hadith collections.

  • 3:151. We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve
  • 7:4.  How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them.
    • Our torment came upon them by night or while they were taking their midday nap. ) means, Allah’s command, torment and vengeance came over them at night or while taking a nap in the middle of the day. Both of these times are periods of rest and leisure or heedlessness and amusement.  Nations that were destroyed
  • 8:12. (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, “Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.”
    • …(I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved.) means, `you — angels — support the believers, strengthen their (battle) front against their enemies, thus, implementing My command to you. I will cast fear, disgrace and humiliation over those who defied My command and denied My Messenger,  (so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.) strike them on their foreheads to tear them apart and over the necks to cut them off, and cut off their limbs, hands and feet….Allah commands the Angels to fight and support the Believers
  • 8:60. Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
  • 33:26. And those of the people of the Scripture who backed them (the disbelievers) Allah brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives.
    • (and cast terror into their hearts;) means fear, because they had supported the idolators in their war against the Messenger of Allah and the one who knows is not like the one who does not know. They had terrified the Muslims and intended to kill them so as to gain earthly power, but their plans backfired; the idolators ran away and the believers were victorious while the disbelievers were losers; where they had aimed for glory, they were humiliated. The Campaign against Banu Qurayzah
  • 59:2. He it is Who drove out the disbelievers among the people of the Scripture (i.e. the Jews of the tribe of Bani An-Nadir) from their homes at the first gathering. You did not think that they would get out. And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But Allah’s (Torment) reached them from a place whereof they expected it not, and He cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their own dwellings with their own hands and the hands of the believers. Then take admonition, O you with eyes (to see).
    • …Therefore, Allah sent His torment down on them; it can never be averted, and His appointed destiny touched them; it can never be resisted. The Prophet forced them to evacuate and abandon their fortified forts that Muslims did not think they would ever control. …Then take admonition, O you with eyes.) meaning, “Contemplate the end of those who defied Allah’s command, contradicted His Messenger and denied His Book. See how Allah’s humiliating torment struck them in this life, as well as, the painful torment that Allah has reserved for them in the Hereafter.”… The End that Bani An-Nadir suffered
  • 59:13. Of a truth ye are stronger (than they) because of the terror in their hearts, (sent) by God. This is because they are men devoid of understanding.
  • 8:57. So if you gain the mastery over them in war, punish them severely in order to disperse those who are behind them, so that they may learn a lesson.
    • …(then disperse those who are behind them,) by severely punishing ﴿the captured people﴾ according to Ibn `Abbas, Al-Hasan Al-Basri, Ad-Dahhak, As-Suddi, `Ata’ Al-Khurasani and Ibn `Uyaynah. This Ayah commands punishing them harshly and inflicting casualties on them. This way, other enemies, Arabs and non-Arabs, will be afraid and take a lesson from their end,… Striking Hard against Those Who disbelieve and break the Covenants
  •  Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 7, Number 331:
    Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah:
    The Prophet said, “I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me.
    1. Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month’s journey. .
  • Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror(cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

“Programs and agendas pursued by extremist organizations” is an encrypted reference to the Dutch and Austrian Freedom Parties and the American Tea Party.  They want to make the Tea Party and negative expressions about Islam in campaign advertisements illegal. If you doubt this, read the April ’11 Islamophobia Report, pages 3, 6 & 49

      • calls on states to take specific measures to combat religious intolerance

The call comes on page 2 of the resolution.

Expresses its concern that incidents of religious intolerance, discrimination
and related violence, as well as of negative stereotyping of individuals on the basis of
religion or belief, continue to rise around the world, and condemns, in this context, any
advocacy of religious hatred against individuals that constitutes incitement to
discrimination, hostility or violence, and urges States to take effective measures, as set forth
in the present resolution, consistent with their obligations under international human rights
law, to address and combat such incidents;
  • incidents of
    • intolerance: Islamophobia
    • negative stereotyping: Terrorism is an intrinsic sacrament of Islam :. Muslims are terrorists.
    • avocacy of religious hatred
      • constitutes incitement
        • discrimination
        • hostility
        • violence: any & every criticism of Islam, exemplified by Fitna, the Motoons & Qur’an burning
  • effective measures:  legislation and its enforcement

Article 19

1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference

2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression: this right shall include freedom to seek, receive, and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of this choice

3. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as provided by law and are necessary.

(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;

(b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.

Article 20

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law

2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.


“(1) That article 20 does not authorize or require legislation or other action by the United States that would restrict the right of free speech and association protected by the Constitution and laws of the United States.

Several of the resolutions make allusion to  19.3, attempting to stretch 19.3.a to cover Islam.  Note that the U.S.A. reserved our First Amendment right of free expression.  Several resolutions bitterly kvetch about that reservation, demanding its repeal. The HRC has an Ad Hoc Committee on Elaboration of Complementary Standards whose mission is to write a binding protocol which will insert the provisions of previous defamation of Islam resolutions into one of the human rights covenants.

Define advocacy of hatred that constitutes incitement. Exactly what does that expression in 20.2 mean in the real world.  For the answer, we must turn to the Secretary General.

Reuters quotes U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon about Fitna:“There is no justification for hate speech or incitement to violence,” Ban said in a statement. “The right of free expression is not at stake here.”

According to Ban, the short documentary by Geert Wilders meets the test of 20.2. There is one little problem: Fitna is an exposure of incitement, it is not incitement.  I direct doubters & dissenters to this blog post which documents Fitna’s scriptural citations: The intention of HRC 16/18 is to criminalize Fitna, the Motoons, this blog post and every criticism of Islam.

      • Those rights include the right to believe and the right practice a religion not sanctioned by the state — or no religion at all.

Who can argue with the right to belief & practice of religion?  Islam does, and I can, too!  The existence of a right to practice Islam is an impossibility because the practice of Islam entails genocide, terror,plunder, extortion, & rape. This fatal fact is fully documented here:  No Right to Practice Islam!

Allah said  that only he has the right to be worshiped. Get a clue.

  • 3:2. Allâh! Lâ ilahâ illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists.
  • O11.5 -6- are forbidden to openly display wine or pork, (A: to ring church bells or display crosses,) recite the Torah or Evangel aloud, or make public display of their funerals and feastdays;  -7- and are forbidden to build new churches.

Islam does not accept the UDHR, it substituted the Cairo Declaration, which makes Shari’ah the bottom line. I just quoted the relevant Shari’ah for you. Get a clue: scroll to the end of the declaration and read Articles 24 & 25.  Its Shari’ah, stupid, refer to Reliance of the Traveller, Book O, Chapter 11.5, quoted above.  Freedom of religion is a one way street: for Muslims only.

      • This purpose is to advance religious freedom, promote religious tolerance, and combat discrimination on the basis of religion or belief—consistent with universal human rights principles.

The purpose is permanently frustrated because Islam does not and will not allow religious freedom or  tolerate religions  and discriminates against indigenous religious minorities.   Those flaws are intrinsic to the core of Islam and can not be altered or removed because Islam can not be reformed.

  • protect religious minorities and protect freedom of expression

Indigenous Christians in Egypt & Pakistan will be charged with blasphemy and persecuted, up to and including execution for saying “Jesus is Lord.”. HRC 16/18 does nothing to change Shari’ah nor its implementation in Islamic nations and that is not its intention.  Its stated mission is to prevent and punish “negative stereotyping”, which is substituted for “defamation of religions”, which was substituted for “defamation of Islam”. A skunk by any other name will smell as pungent.  The resolution reeks, likewise the clever words with which it is being disguised & promoted, which are redolent of feces.

      •  some people distort various religious doctrines to justify intolerance, foment violence, or create strife that serves their narrow political purposes

Islam’s mission is to enrich its founder & his successors through the professional practice of war and extortion.  I direct doubters & dissenters to a previous blog post for the disgusting details: Islam’s Mercenary Mission.  Genocidal jihad which terrorizes its victims is an intrinsic sacrament of Islam, not a radical innovation.  I direct doubters & dissenters to a previous blog post which exposes the disgusting details: What’s Wrong With Islam/Muslims? .

      • faith must never be a crime and religion must never be used as an excuse to stifle freedom of expression.

“Faith without works is dead.” and faith without content is empty.  Faith ain’t the problem: doctrines are!  It is what they believe, not the fact that they believe. Faith produces works; the works of Islam are genocidal conquest, rape, pillage & extortion; this is why there can be No Right to Practice Islam.

The objective of HRC 16/18 and its successor before the GA is to criminalize and punish the publication of the facts contained in this blog post. The OIC tried to block the publication of Fitna. They are trying to block the publication of a new book by Geert Wilders. They demanded that he be persecuted for Fitna.

  • Remarks at the Istanbul Process for Combating Intolerance and Discrimination Based on Religion or Belief

Hillary just told us that there is a right kill, enslave, rape, plunder and extort disbelievers. Does she also  believe that there is a right to free expression? What did she say about International Burn the Qur’an Day?  Did she uphold Rev. Jones’ right to express his disdain for the damnable doctrines of Islam by burning a Qur’an?  No, she condemned the planned event, labeling it as hate speech and inciting violence, the same terms she used to condemn the trial & burning of the Qur’an last March.

      • this resolution marks a step forward in creating a safe global environment for practicing and expressing one’s beliefs
      • In it, we pledge to protect the freedom of religion for all while also protecting freedom of expression.

There is no step toward religious freedom short of eradicating Islam. Does Hillary plan to send the Marines to protect Copts in Egypt?  No resolution will protect them!  Only overwhelming force will prevent Muslims from killing members of Christian minorities in Africa, Arabia & Asia.  Nobody proposes to assemble and apply that force.

Islam can only be eradicated by inducing mass apostasy.  Mass apostasy can only be induced by exposing the Ummah to the glaring reality of the identity and attributes of Allah, the character and works of Moe and the horrific crimes against humanity perpetrated in Allah’s name over the last 14 centuries.

Previous resolutions demanded criminalizing association of Islam with terrorism, an intrinsic sacrament of which Moe bragged. Another resolution pending in the General Assembly demands criminalizing equating Islam with terrorism.

      • born free to practice any religion, to change our religion, or to have none at all.

Open Reliance of the Traveller to Book O, Chapter 8 and start reading through 8.7; there is a link above. Who will go to Pakistan and enforce the right to convert to Christianity?  Will Hillary or Ban go?  Whom will they send; will they return alive and whole from that mission?  You can not change the Qur’an & sunnah on which O8.1 is based, so, exactly what will you do about it?

      • they are not rights bestowed by any government. They are rights endowed by our Creator within each of us. And therefore, we have a special obligation to protect these God-given rights.

Only the U.S. government has an obligation to protect our rights.  Res. 16/18 is part of a campaign to eviscerate our right to free speech. Hillary’s State department is acting in contravention of the First Amendment.

      • restricting the practice of anyone’s faith is a threat to the human rights of all individuals.

Muslims believe that they have a divine right and religious obligation to conquer the entire world, by intimidation & force, including “casting terror”. That right and obligation is inseverable; Islam is all or nothing. Muslims who believe “fight in Allah’s cause, killing others and being killed. Only those who participate in jihad are believers. Muslims are commanded to obey Allah and Moe.  Allah commanded them to “fight the disbelievers nearest you“.  Open Sahih Bukhari 52 to see what Moe did, which is to be emulated.  Terrorism is an act of worship, intrinsic to the practice of Islam; Muslims earn Brownie Points for any step taken to injure or enrage disbelievers.

Hillary just informed us that preventing Muslims from engaging in terrorism is an infringement of their human right to the free practice of religion. Muslims can not fully practice Islam without it.

      • my ability to practice my religious faith freely does not, and indeed cannot, diminish yours

Your Methodism, Hillary, does not impair the practice of Islam. A Muslim, practicing his religion can rape and kill you as an act of worship.  Of course, that does not diminish your rights at all, does it?

      • Religion can be such a powerful bond, but we also recognize that it can be misused to create conflict.

Creating conflict and perpetuating war are not misuses of Islam, they are its mission.  Its jihad, stupid! The “original religion” of Islam is jihad and jihad is war against non-Muslims. Allah will curse Muslims with disgrace if they abandon jihad for trade and agriculture.

      • There are those who, for reasons actually having little to do with religion, seek to instill fear or contempt for those of another creed.

That is an obvious sideswipe at “Islamophobes”; those of us who expose and warn others about the damnable doctrines & practices of Islam.  Hillary implies that critics of Islam are rousing the rabble to lynch Muslims.  If that was true, we could and should be prosecuted.  In fact we are not, but far from it.

      • So we believe that it is the duty of every government to ensure that individuals are not subject to violence, discrimination, or intimidation because of their faith or their lack of faith.

The governments of Egypt, Pakistan and other Islam dominated nations are active, willing participants in intimidation, discrimination & persecution of indigenous Christian minorities and turn a blind eye to Islamic violence.

      • At the same time, as we strive to protect individuals from violence and discrimination because of their religion or their beliefs, we must also express the freedom of expression.

Terrorism is an intrinsic sacrament of Islam.  Muslims earn Brownie Points with each act of terrorism.  9/11 was an act of worship.  The OIC seeks to criminalize and punish the uttering and publishing of those fatal facts.  The resolution they ran through the GA last year is clear on that matter.  Res 16/18 focuses on incitement to hatred and violence.  According to Ban Ki-Moon,  exposing the direct connection between Islamic scripture, preaching and terrorism is hate speech and incitement not protected by freedom of expression.  If he had the power, Ban would prohibit the publication of this blog post. The purpose of Res 16/18 is to con our government into doing it for him.

      • Well, how would one know that you were being discriminated against if you didn’t have the right to freedom of expression?

The right of free expression is essential to discussion of affairs of state; to political campaigns in particular.  When we perceive a real, proximate and continuing threat to our personal and national security, we must be free to warn our fellow citizens.  When we are offended by the arrogant exactions of enemy forces, we must be free to express our outrage and contempt.  The resolution you seek to implement is designed to eliminate our right to free speech.

      • So the freedom of religion and the freedom of expression are absolutely bound up together.

My right to warn of the damnable mission, doctrines and practices of Islam does not, in any way impair anyone’s freedom of religion.  If Muslims have a right to practice Islam, then all of my rights are impaired.  The right to live and the right to practice Islam can not coexist because Islam is a license to kill; a declaration of open season in denial of the right to life and property.  I direct doubters & dissenters to Sahih Bukhari 1.8.387.

      • Now, there are those who have always seen a tension between these two freedoms, especially when one person’s speech seems to question someone else’s religious beliefs,

Open Reliance of the Traveller, the Shafi’ite handbook of fiqh which serves as the main codification of Shari’ah, to BookO11.10 and learn that Dhimmis can be killed for mentioning anything “impermissible” about Allah, Moe or Islam.

      • or maybe even offends that person’s beliefs.
      • But the truth we have learned, through a lot of trial and error over more than 235 years in our country, is that we defend our beliefs best by defending free expression for everyone, and it lowers the temperature. It creates an environment in which you are free to exercise and to speak about your religion, whether your neighbor or someone across the town agrees with you or not.
      •  In fact, the appropriate answer to speech that offends is more speech.

Speech that offends: “fight them until”, “fight those who …until”, “I am commanded to fight”, “I will cast terror”, “Allah cast terror” so that “some you killed” and others you “made captive”. I am offended by the Qur’an, hadith, Exegesis & Shari’ah! I am offended by shouts of  “Allahu akbar!”.  I am offended by the accursed abomination 9/11 and every Islamic act of terrorism.

This blog post, the hundreds of similar posts which preceded it and those that will follow it are my response to intolerable evil.  My disrespectful demand that Islam be outlawed, Muslims expelled and excluded from the U.S.A. is my response to intolerable evil.  My curse that I will not vote for any candidate for high office who does not explicitly condemn Islam is my response to intolerable evil.

      • It is hurtful when bigotry pollutes the public sphere,

Informed and reasoned opposition to & denunciation of Islam, based on the facts contained in its canon of scripture, tradition, exegesis & jurisprudence is not bigotry. The hallmarks of bigotry are ignorance and a closed mind.

      • but the state does not silence ideas, no matter how disagreeable they might be,

You just confessed, in context of Res.16/18, that exposure & condemnation of Islam are disagreeable to you and that you consider them to be bigotry.  You also lied, because the state, in seeking to implement 16/18, seeks to criminalize & punish all criticism of Islam.  You have, in fact, adopted the  agenda of the enemy: to silence our messages of warning and dissent.

      • because we believe that in the end, the best way to treat offensive speech is by people either ignoring it or combating it with good arguments and good speech that overwhelms it.

My side has the facts, Hillary. It is not possible to refute our condemnation of Islam because what we say is supported by ample evidence found in Islam’s canon.  You can not refute the facts outlined in this blog post. You can lie about them, spew ad-hominem & Tu-quoque, but you can not prevail with fact and logic because Islam is intrinsically evil, by design and incapable of reformation.

      • So we do speak out and condemn hateful speech.

You condemned Pastor Jones when he sponsored International Burn the Koran Day.  You condemned him when he tried and executed the Qur’an last March. You and General Petraeus betrayed us, blaming Jones for Muslim riots stirred up among rabid rabble by rabid Imams at Jumah Salat.  Jones did not incite violence. Jones did not engage in hate speech. Jones did not violate anyone’s rights.  When you accused Jones of inciting violence, you did, in fact, incite violence by encouraging Muslims to riot.  I call treason when I see it.  You and Obama should be impeached, convicted of treason and removed from office.

      •  In fact, we think it is our duty to do so,
      •  but we don’t ban it or criminalize it.

Res. 16/18 is a continuation of the string of resolutions spawned by the OIC’s Ten year Plan.  Scroll down to Art. VI, item 3 and read about it.  Read Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu’s speech to the HRC Session 15 and Amb. Akram’s statement to Session 16, which is transcribed in this blog post.  When we read those two screeds and the Islamophobia Reports,  the intent of the resolution is unmistakably clear.

Fasten your seat belts, this is where the going gets rough. Put away all fire, choke and spill hazards before you continue reading.

      • Now, with Resolution 1618, we have clarified these dual objectives.

Malignant malarkey!  You clarified nothing, you obfuscated your intention to criminalize criticism of Islam. That is kitman as well as al-Taqiyya.

      • We embrace the role that free expression plays in bolstering religious tolerance.

No sentient person, informed of the damnable doctrines & practices of Islam, will ever tolerate its existence! Free expression does not bolster tolerance, it bolsters exposure and awareness! You spoke of a one sided free expression, limited to false praise of Islam, not extending to honest criticism.

      • We have agreed to build a culture of understanding and acceptance through

Anyone who understands Islam will never accept it!

      • concrete measures to combat discrimination and violence,

Only Islam and Muslims advocate violence; we advocate laws to expel and exclude Islam’s fifth column for the purpose of preventing violence. Do you allow rattlesnakes to reside in your house? Excluding rattlesnakes is discriminatory.

      • such as education and outreach, and we are working together to achieve those objectives.

When a Muslim says “education” he means indoctrination.  Nothing exposed in the links provided in this blog post is included in instructional materials used in our educational system, with the exception of some doctoral programs at large universities.     Outreach translates to appeasement.

      • it’s one thing if people are just disagreeing. That is fair game. That’s free speech.

They say that “only Allah has the right to be worshiped” and that I must convert or be killed. I say that I have a right to worship or not as I blessed well see fit, without being intimidated or coerced.  They assert a duty to attack us, I assert a right to effective national defense. They say I must be silent, I say that I have an absolute right to expose their evil doctrines & practices.

      • But if it results in sectarian clashes,

Sunni & Shi’ia are rivals for power. Power corrupts. Nothing can stop them form internecine conflict.

      •  if it results in the destruction or the defacement or the vandalization of religious sites,

In Africa, Arabia, & Asia, Muslims burn down churches, with Christians in them.  That results from what is preached in their local mosques, not what we write in our blogs.  We do not incite vandalism, a few  idiots driven over the edge by frustration act on their own free will, without anyone telling them to.

      • if it even results in imprisonment or death,

The trial and execution of a Qur’an in Florida did not result in death. Those deaths and property damage resulted from the rabid preaching at Jumah Salat, not anything anyone said or did over here.

      • then government must held those – hold those who are responsible accountable.

I’d like to see how you are going to hold Allah & Moe responsible for riots & murders inspired by the Qur’an & Sunnah. Allah is an impotent idol and Moe has been dead since   Do you think you can go to Egypt & Pakistan to arrest, try and incarcerate the rabid Imams who rouse the rabble to riot?  I’d like to see you try it.

There is a difference between shouting fire in a crowded theater where there is no fire or rousing a lynch mob and burning a Qur’an.  Exposing the damnable doctrines of Islam in a blog post does not kill anyone or destroy any property.  Property is destroyed and people are killed by Muslims engaged in an act of worship: terrorism.  They don’t get their incitement from us, they get it from Islam’s canon of scripture, tradition, exegesis & jurisprudence and from their Imams.

      • But I have to say we have one difficulty in understanding all of the problems that we see around the world, and that is
      • that because religion is so personal and because it is something that we highly value in ourselves,

No, it ain’t and anybody smarter than a Moron can see it after a little investigation. Ignorant & indolent Morons like you project the western concept of religion onto Islam, which it does not fit.  We view religion as a beneficent & anodyne agency of theology & interpersonal relationships.  Religions are our source of much of our morality & ethics.

Islam is presented and accepted by Muslims as the absolute rule of Allah, which must be obeyed in all times, at all places. It governs every facet of human life from conception through burial.  It dictates how they eat, how they defecate and how they wipe their butts. It also imposes upon them a demonic mandate to conquer and subjugate the entire world.  Go to and get a copy of Reliance of the Traveller or Volume II of hedaya and start reading. You can learn much from the table of contents.

Islam is not a benign, anodyne & benevolent theology, it is a continuing criminal enterprise; a war crime against humanity motivated by filthy lucre: “The Spoils of War“.  After reading the first verse, skip ahead to 41, then 60 & 67.  Turn next to 33:26-27 and  48:15-20.   Turn next to Sahih Muslim 19.4327Sahih Bukhari 4.52.220,  & 4.52.267.  If, after checking those references, you can not correctly answer the following review questions, its time to consider suicide to protect the gene pool.

  1. To whom do the spoils belong?
  2. Who gets the top 20%?
  3. What was Moe’s motivation?
  4. What is Allah’s motivation? [Hint: it ain’t getting Moe into his celestial bordello.]
  5. What was the net effect of casting terror?
  6. What did Allah promise Muslims?
  7. What is the legal status of taking spoils?
  8. What did Allah give Moe?
  9. How did Muslims invest the treasures of the Persian & Byzantine Empires?
      •  it strikes us as troubling that people are not confident in their religious beliefs
      • to the point where they do not fear speech that raises questions about religion.

Muslims are hypersensitive because their faith is false.  The ruling class is in the know, it is likely that many of the clerical class are true believers. They do not want the Ummah to find out.

Christians have a long chain of fulfilled Jewish prophecies to base their faith on.  Muslims have only Moe’s word. Islam begins and ends with Moe, who co-opted Jewish Prophets in hopes of deceiving the local Jews.  The trick did not work; the Jews laughed him to scorn, recognizing the fraud.

Go to a hadith search engine such as Islamic Network and search Sahih Bukhari  for these terms, without the quotes: “was revealed”, “inspiration” and “your wishes and desires”.

      • every one of us who is a religious person knows that there are some who may not support or approve of our religion.
      • But is our religion so weak that statements of disapproval will cause us to lose our faiths?

Moe was extremely sensitive to criticism, so much so that he ordered his companions to kill several critics.  One clear example is in the hadith  where we can easily find it, others are buried in  The Life of Muhammad and  Tabari’s Tahrik.  Answering Islam has several of the relevant accounts.

      • That would be most unfortunate. In fact, what we have found, in study after study, is that the United States is one of the most religious countries in the world. And yet anybody can believe anything and go anywhere.
      • And so there is no contradiction between having strong religious beliefs and having the freedom to exercise them and to speak about them and to even have good debates with others.

Res. 16/18 puts some emphasis on inter-religious dialog, assuming that it will deaden our awareness of the existential conflict between Islam and Christianity. When Pope Benedict XVI lectured at Regensburg, Muslims raised hell and a large number of the Ulema wrote a missive entitled A Common Word Between Us and You. in which they called for dialog to find “common ground”.  The central concept of the missive is drawn from Surah Al Imran 3:64.  That ayeh ends with this sentence: “Bear witness that we are Muslims”; those are fighting words.  Read the context through #112.  Those threatening words were used in Moe’s extortion letter to Heraclius.

To see how Moe conducted dialog with Christians (demanding that they curse themselves) turn to this topic in Tafsir Ibn Kathir: The Challenge to the Mubahalah.

      • Now, the fact is that no matter how strongly each of us believes, none of us has the benefit of knowing all the truth that God holds in his hands.

Nobody knows for certain, but Islam asserts a claim of certainty that it alone has a monopoly on truth and that our religion is in error.

      • And therefore, we are doing the best we can here on earth to reflect and to give honor to our creator in a way that is manifest in our religious values. Because truly, at the root of every major religion, is a connection with the divinity,

The root of Islam is war, not a connection with divinity.  Search the hadith for “inspiration”, you will discover how Moe got his “revelations”: in epileptic seizures. In the first instance, he thought that he had wrestled with the devil but his wife convinced him that he had encountered an angel.  Take another good long look at 8:67;’ that is some connection with “divinity”.

      • Now I know that some in my country and elsewhere have criticized this meeting and our work with all of you.
      •  But I want to make clear that I am proud of this work, and I am proud to be working with every one of you. And I believe that this work is an affirmation of America’s values, but equally important an affirmation of universal values.

Since when is anal osculation either an American or universal value?  Lifting Satan’s tail & inserting tongue  solves nothing. Abandoning our precious, hard won right to speak and write the truth is not an American value.  American values include life, liberty, property, pursuit of happiness and defeating our enemies. Yielding liberty to our enemies is the polar opposite of American values.

      • Because we nor – no country individually has a monopoly on the truth, and we will do better when we live in peace with each other,

In 1789 we were willing to live in peace with the entire world but the Barbary pirates were not willing to live in peace with us. They attacked our shipping and demanded tribute, which nearly bankrupted the young nation. When asked by what right they attacked us, the Algerian Ambassador replied in terms which parallel the reply of Umar’s field commander to the Persians in Sahih Bukhari 4.53.386.     Peace will only be possible after Islam is eliminated because Islam is permanent war.

      • when we live with respect and humility, and listen to each other. And it is important that we recognize what we accomplished when this resolution ended 10 years of divisive debate where people were not listening to each other anymore.

It is abundantly clear from the recent statements of Akram & ishanoglu, as well as the Islamophobia Reports, that  the change is purely rhetorical, a semantic game at which our side lost.

      • Now we are. We’re talking. We have to get past the idea that we can suppress religious minorities,

This is a terrible place to use the royal we .  It is Islam, not America that suppresses indigenous religious minorities.  There is an external ‘religious’ minority which has infiltrated a fifth column into America with moles in high places in defense, intelligence and security agencies.  We need to expel and exclude them. You condemn the only recourse we have a priori.

      • that we can restrict speech,

When you create a legal construct which ties what we utter and publish with the completely unrelated actions of unrelated people on other continents, completely beyond our control, assigning blame to us for what they do on their own accord, then you are attempting to restrict free speech by forcing self-censorship.  You are, in effect, erecting a heckler’s veto and abandoning the First Amendment.

      • that we are smart enough that we can substitute our judgment for God’s and determine who is or is not blaspheming.

Open Reliance of the Traveller to O8.0 and start reading, continuing through O8.7; get a clue!

      • And by bringing countries from around the world here,
      • we are affirming our common humanity
      • and our common commitment to defend and promote fundamental rights.

I doubt that any falser words were ever uttered in the history of mankind. We are committed to defend and promote fundamental rights, Muslims are not; Muslims are committed to the abrogation of our rights.  Islam denies the sanctity of our blood and property, declaring that we have no rights until we become Muslims. Those denials are contained in Moe’s declaration  quoted in Sahih Bukhari 1.8.387. Projecting our own values onto the enemy is a suicidal blunder.

      • We can think others are wrong, but we don’t feel so insecure and so fearful of their wrong views that we try to suppress them, imprison them, or even kill them.

Ten years ago, 19 Muslims hijacked four passenger aircraft and flew three of them into occupied office structures.  They shouted “Allahu akbar!” while slitting the throats of the flight crews. Subsequently, other Muslims, acting in the name of Allah, bombed subways in Madrid and London and seized a school in Beslan.  Get a clue!  In the last 1400 years, 270*106  innocent people lost their lives to Islam.  If we do not eradicate Islam, either ideologically or militarily, they will out breed &  out last us and civilization will be destroyed.

3 responses to “Istanbul Process: Censorship Through Subterfuge

  1. Dr. Sandy Kramer

    Thank you for such thorough coverage.

  2. Evidently you are doing something right, this is higher in the SERPS than the original. Next, we need to obtain a copy of the comprehensive report of the meeting as soon as possible. I am about to create a Google Alert for it.

  3. You are welcome, Dr. Kramer, we are here to spread knowledge, awareness and arousal.

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